...IA/MN vicinity...
A Slight risk has been introduced across northwest IA into southern
MN. Most guidance shows an embedded shortwave impulse or possible
MCV migrating across the area on Sunday. This appears plausible
given expected convection over the central Plains in the Day 1
period. A weak warm front will also be draped across the region from
near the Sioux Falls area southeastward toward the Quad Cities IA
vicinity. Strong heating and upper 60s F surface dewpoints will
result in strong destabilization and any storms that develop will
have the potential for damaging wind gusts and hail. Additionally,
given the warm front draped across the area, a few tornadoes are
also possible due to enhanced SRH and mean mixing ratios near 16
g/kg. Some guidance suggests capping could limit coverage of
storms, but most guidance does develop at least isolated storms.
Given the thermodynamic and kinematic parameter space supportive of
severe supercells/bowing segments, an upgrade to Slight appears
warranted.
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 04:17 PM
Fingers crossed that the forcast holds up or improves. I am so tired of busted forcasts
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 04:27 PM
I am concerned that HRRR continues to fail to show initiation
If I was teleporting myself somewhere right now to start tomorrow, it'd be central Iowa
Cameron (Fortson, GA)27-Jun-20 04:36 PM
Shortwave go brrrr (edited)
Watching June 30th too
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 04:39 PM
HRRR cells it shows are not over the same area is the maximized STP/SCP. Those are part of something else I think, the initial morning convection, which the NAM completely kills off.
Cameron (Fortson, GA)27-Jun-20 04:40 PM
Me and my homies hate STP (edited)
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 04:42 PM
I sent a question to Jeff Duda about the HRRR model. We shall see if he responds
Cameron (Fortson, GA)27-Jun-20 04:42 PM
Still is convectiving within the Warm-sector with decent instability and backing surface winds
Regardless of highest STP values or not
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 04:43 PM
That area is also much farther away than I would like, given I have a morning meeting back in the Twin Cities on MOnday at 8:15
I also really wish the RAP went out farther, like the NAM does, Instead of mostly just day of.
Cameron (Fortson, GA)27-Jun-20 04:43 PM
Yeah but HRRR needs to get rid of morning convection and get something initiating near that WF in the warm-sector
15Z RAP runs to tom
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 04:44 PM
yea, but not 18z
Cameron (Fortson, GA)27-Jun-20 04:45 PM
I think we can play it by ear and see what the Suite says tonight
Also I'm not well traversed in the midwest anyway but I know Iowa likes to pull quirky things
I don't use it really. Supercell Composite I put a little bit of stock in, but only to get a general idea of things, since it's subject to being misleading, and thrown off by one component
Mike Thornton (Norman, OK)27-Jun-20 05:13 PM
I will leave my comment at what I wrote above.
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 05:23 PM
I am planning to leave at 8am tomorrow. Drive down I35. That lets me play either NAM's idea (west towards Omaha) or RAP/HRRR (east towards Dubuque)
If anyone is interested in caravaning tomorrow I am all ears. Please reach out to me in a PM. My usual chase partner balked at leaving by 8am. IMO this is a serious setup and I want to give it the full time it deserves
That's the thing, everything else has been fairly consistently firing cells, HRW CAMs and NAM3k, and HRRR has been consistently not firing anything at all afternoon.
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 09:49 PM
NAM has been showing this setup for 3 days.
Mike Thornton (Norman, OK)27-Jun-20 09:50 PM
@Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN) well, it goes out the 5-day so I hope it would be showing it for three days.
I know what you meant ^
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 09:50 PM
I guess I am trying to say I want to trust the NAM on this one, as it has been very consistant.
Mike Thornton (Norman, OK)27-Jun-20 09:50 PM
I wouldn't really take anything at face value with the HRRR until around 2am when it begins to come into range hourly for the afternoon.
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@Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN) yes. I knew what you meant
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 09:51 PM
There is a lot of veer-back with the soundings tho. I am guessing that that is due to there only being a small 500 mb shortwave, no broad deep flow
But the moisture is already there from the previous systems
Just need a little something to get things going
Thank you for your voice of reason @Mike Thornton (Norman, OK)
Still. If we drive out tonight, I gotta make the call tonight, tomorrow, it'd be a longer day full of driving, but I could potentially be better informed to call yes or no?
Mike Thornton (Norman, OK)27-Jun-20 09:54 PM
Not really a voice of reason. It's just the truth after having chased for 5 years.
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 09:54 PM
You could always just drive partway (edited)
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Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Jun-20 10:02 PM
Ok, this is how I know 2020 is nuts. This latest run, HRRR goes squall line, NAM goes rogue Supercell tracking all the way across IA. nuts I say!
This is a chase where I will have to trust the surface obs and the spc
NAM is the nuclear model for this setup
Cameron (Fortson, GA)27-Jun-20 10:19 PM
I'ma look at convective trends and OBS at this point
This is a wild card
Josh Zitko(Cimarron, NM/STL, MO)28-Jun-20 12:39 AM
We're on the road, hoping to knock out a few more hours.
Josh Zitko(Cimarron, NM/STL, MO)28-Jun-20 02:09 AM
The RAP is forecasting MLCAPE to peak above 5500 J/kg in eastern Nebraska with a tight instability gradient across western Iowa. Low-level convergence is forecast to become maximized in far northeast Nebraska by 00Z/Monday which will help with convective initiation. Thunderstorms are expected to develop during the early evening and move eastward across central and northern Iowa. In addition to the extreme instability, RAP forecast soundings in western Iowa at 00Z have 0-3 km shear near 30 kt with some directional shear in the low-levels. This environment should be favorable for severe storms as cell coverage increases during the early to mid evening. Wind damage, isolated large hail, and perhaps a tornado or two will be possible with supercells and organized multicells.
Josh Zitko(Cimarron, NM/STL, MO)28-Jun-20 07:26 AM
Models showing later initiation, probably because of morning storms sticking around
NAM also showing only very briefly cellular in the most recent run
Not a fan of this morning convection
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)28-Jun-20 10:32 AM
Now it looks like I will be able to chase out of my back yard
Josh Zitko(Cimarron, NM/STL, MO)28-Jun-20 10:35 AM
Gonna hit Des Moines in the next half hour or so. Probably find a coffee shop or something with WiFi and watch surface obs
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)28-Jun-20 10:53 AM
Who is ready for some good 'ol Mankato Madness today?
TJ (Houston/Galveston TX)28-Jun-20 12:01 PM
I'm about an hour from Mankato... let's hope the storm isn't nocturnal
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)28-Jun-20 12:13 PM
Everyone, prepare to smash those refresh buttons in 15 minutes...
Cameron (Fortson, GA)28-Jun-20 12:33 PM
AS A LOW-LEVEL JET STRENGTHENS, WARM
ADVECTION ON THE SOUTHWEST FLANK OF THE MCV (ROOTED IN THE RICHER
MOISTURE/STEEPER LAPSE RATES ACROSS EASTERN NE) WILL INCREASE AND
BECOME SUPPORTIVE OF THUNDERSTORM INITIATION. DAYTIME HEATING AND
BOUNDARY-LAYER DEWPOINTS OF 70-72 F, BENEATH MIDLEVEL LAPSE RATES
GREATER THAN 8 C/KM, WILL RESULT IN MLCAPE NEAR 4000 J/KG, WHICH
WILL SUPPORT INTENSE UPDRAFTS. A MESOSCALE REGION OF ENHANCED
LOW-LEVEL SHEAR/HODOGRAPH CURVATURE AND DEEP-LAYER SHEAR IN THAT
ZONE OF WARM ADVECTION WILL INITIALLY FAVOR SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF
PRODUCING VERY LARGE HAIL AND A COUPLE OF TORNADOES. THE THREAT FOR
OCCASIONAL LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS WILL PERSIST OVERNIGHT AS
CONVECTION GROWS UPSCALE INTO AN MCS.
@TJ (Houston/Galveston TX) Joey and I are meeting up in Mason City, hopefully find a spot with WiFi and do some looking at what's gonna happen later
TJ (Houston/Galveston TX)28-Jun-20 02:50 PM
Yeah, hanging in Algona. Visiting family for the next two weeks, so this is free bonus chase
Cameron (Fortson, GA)28-Jun-20 03:09 PM
Visible imagery confirms ample moisture is in place with substantial
CU fields developing. As the cap is completely eroded over the next
few hours, subtle lift will cause storms to form from north to south
within the surface trough/front. Lapse rates are steep, and will
favor rapid development. While SRH is not particularly high,
substantial low-level stretching and slow storm motions within the
enhanced vertical vorticity zone may allow a broken line of storms
to produce tornadoes prior to merging. In addition, large hail is
possible with the initial strong cores.
Rather atypical look to a Canadian hodograph; assuming RAP has handle on frontal zone (which seems likely given N-ly surface flow and unidirectional mid-levels), this profile can encourage much longer-lived, stronger tornadoes than is typical for the area. https://t.co/uzlWnK...
Depends on which reports. I had a couple of reports at the start, rotating wall cloud then a violent funnel cloud, curious to see if there was any ground circulation in it
Should have been tornado warned at that point...we watched it come so close to dropping multiple times and NWS did nothing
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Cameron (Fortson, GA)28-Jun-20 11:30 PM
The storm I believe eventually went TORR somewhere down that line
Hence tornado reports
With its final push over Wionia brought a great wallcloud with it
Josh Zitko(Cimarron, NM/STL, MO)29-Jun-20 07:55 AM
Yeah, we were on it pretty much until it crossed the Wisconsin border. Gave us a nice lightning show as it died.
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Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)29-Jun-20 10:01 AM
I reviewd some footage on youtube, I am not sure we would have been able to see the actual funnel cloud. It was just so hazy. Josh you will have to compare your video with what is on youtube. I really want to say it was my first tornado, but I need to be sure.
Josh Zitko(Cimarron, NM/STL, MO)29-Jun-20 11:29 AM
Definitely. I'm still on the road, haven't been able to do much looking, I guess there's footage of the tornado from closer?
Will have to do some looking and match up timestamps.
Josh Zitko(Cimarron, NM/STL, MO)29-Jun-20 11:47 AM
Depends on whether we count seeing any part of the funnel, since I don't know if I ever personally saw ground circulation, because of our angle. (edited)