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EVENT ARCHIVE / 04-06-2021_ks
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 05-Apr-21 05:17 PM
CAMS looking like we might get some i-70 magic tomorrow. still suspect on the moisture return, by the dynamics are all there
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 05-Apr-21 05:45 PM
models relying heavily on crap-vection keeping CAPE down tomorrow. what to do when the model expects a failure mode? what happens when the failure mode fails? (edited)
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Stephen M (Wichita, KS) 05-Apr-21 09:58 PM
Yeah
We will have to see
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Palmer (Weld County, CO) 05-Apr-21 10:33 PM
Local chase only, I think
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 07:29 AM
Hey I am just outside my first slight of the year. Wish I had the opportunity to chase it today.
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 09:42 AM
very strong mass convergence ahead of the dryline in SC NE and NC KS
moisture is just as good as forecast already, might be a little better. today might overperform. CAMS have 1-2 solid supercells with long UH tracks in C KS
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 09:59 AM
with the current setup i think you'll get some very photogenic supercells if you chase today. but tor odds are unlikely expect for in merger zones / outflows
could see a sneaky tor or two up near the triple point around Hastings, NE. lcls will be lower and you could get some transitional cells in a narrow band
NAM/RAP/HRRR all with a sneaky tornado threat after dark in SE NE. cape gets pulled north, CIN doesn't re-establish due to strong advection. low level hodos are good but bulk shear is funky. could have some wandering / embedded supercells /w rotation
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 10:07 AM
Getting some nice morning storms here in Lincoln right now.
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 10:08 AM
the very strong moisture convergence / advection combo going on probably should upgrade this to a 5% tor day from a 2%. STP's stay in the 2 range until midnight.
shouldn't you be in class right now? what you taking?
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 10:09 AM
I don't have class for another 20 minutes, and its a METR programming class using MatLab.
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 10:10 AM
matlab? gross. i was a fortran man
is adam houston still teaching dynamics? i used to chase /w him when he was my instructor
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 10:14 AM
Yes he is!
Great guy. Hoping to get to work with him on the TORUS project soon, but that is a conversation for a different channel.
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 10:30 AM
all 3 HRW are going nuts on SC KS. big time cell tonight. but other cams like NC KS /w some triple points in NEB
about to get a round of wind / small hail in omaha. was warned earlier. still growing upscale tho
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 11:03 AM
Small storm just went thru. Clouds scraping the ground. Nice scud. Very low lcls today
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 11:28 AM
RAP Mesoanalysis showing very strong convergence near phillipsburg KS to concordia just SE of the vort max / surface low. looks like we are getting stacked today
i'd be paying close attention to the hastings to great bend area early this afternoon. not sure how stout that EML is
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Stephen M (Wichita, KS) 06-Apr-21 11:30 AM
Where are you targeting
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 11:30 AM
i'm workign today and getting a siding quote tonight. so it's armchair for me
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Stephen M (Wichita, KS) 06-Apr-21 11:31 AM
Oh ok
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 11:31 AM
but i'd be between phillipsberg and concordia. maybe i-70 to sit and watch. there is another southern mode down west of wichita that HRW was picking up
more photogenic down there, probably. but conditional. we could get some sneaky tors up in SE nebraska today /w HP garbage
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Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN) 06-Apr-21 11:33 AM
FORTRAN! Gross, I am a MATLAB guy... πŸ˜‰
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 12:05 PM
you haven't programmed until you've had to do physical met. models with fortran. 1000 lines of calculus
on a unix machine none the less
the cams really liking that area just S of great bend for tornado activity. they keep trying to root a supercell down there /w a decent UH swath
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Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN) 06-Apr-21 12:14 PM
Try coding CFD in C++, Numerically integrating Navier-Stokes...
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 12:53 PM
slights pulled north into NE due to strong heating / advection
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Jake Wallentine (Wichita, KS) 06-Apr-21 01:14 PM
We did get some decent convection earlier in ICT. Wonder if there's any residual boundaries out there for them to feed off of.
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Pat Kepka (Russell Co. KS) 06-Apr-21 01:23 PM
Winds are 31 mph sustained gusting to 45 mph here.
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 01:30 PM
Is cloud cover going to be an issue? Looking at visible satellite, there seems to be a lot of it.
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Matthew Harding (Wichita, KS) 06-Apr-21 01:35 PM
Looks like there may be one in C KS west of Salina. Pretty sharp cutoff between the CU field and nothing.
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 01:53 PM
ongoing crapvection was forecast by the cams. it's even stronger than forecast, but its' further east. storms are actually back-building into the omaha area borderline severe at times. low level shear is solid too. could complicate later
i would keep an eye on those elevated showers over central KS. those are the type of signs that there is a little energy there aloft ready to really get things going.
boring elevated shower starts to root into the CU field and boom
VERY strong convergence signatures near great bend / hays KS. second signature up near central/NE Neb
early crapvection was firing in a weakness in the CIN. CIN appears to be taking back over now. we could have a quiet period until as late as 6pm. but most cams break out KS as early as 3pm
several very noticable boundaries lying around. one across central KS> another into central NE and another across SE NE. all wandering around just waiting
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 03:35 PM
75/60 here in omaha. pretty juicy
well, for april. i mean. it was 85/45 yesterday
really really good convergence along the dryline in C KS all the way to the OK border. maybe we'll see a tail end charley storm after all
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 03:51 PM
showers trying to ruin the warm sector in SE nebrasaka.....and we've got upslope t-storms in N CO. is this june?
CU field apparent on the dry line now. clear as day.....CIN holding tough.. will it fire?
wow. new NAM3km is HEAVY on UH tracks. a wall from C NE to S KS. pretty deep too. major hailers with some tors possible. could we still get that 5% tor day?
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Pat Kepka (Russell Co. KS) 06-Apr-21 03:58 PM
Well the latest SPC kept everything the same just now
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:07 PM
40% chance of a Severe Thunderstorm Watch. (edited)
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:10 PM
here in omaha i'm just hoping for a nice MCS overnight. could use the rain
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:33 PM
i would like to present to you alliance nebraska. its 38F. snowing. thunderstorm /w tons of lightning nearby
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Jacob Melton (Owosso, MI) 06-Apr-21 04:35 PM
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:35 PM
such nebraska going on here. (edited)
SRH back there is like 600. if there ever was to be a snownado. that's it.
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:37 PM
The dry line showing on visible satellite this afternoon #NEwx #KSwx. #Severe Thunderstorm Watch is being considered east of the dryline. Large hail is the primary hazard. #severe #weather
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:40 PM
600+ 0-3 in that lower dryline area. IF anythign can get going. bulk shear be damned, that's gonna spin
EHI spikes to 10 just W of wichita. at 00z. we got ourselves a game boys!
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:43 PM
this may sound like a dumb question... does EHI take into account the helicity for one?
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:43 PM
NAM has a legit monster supercell forming just S of great bend then jetting NE and holding overnight /w a bow echo transition
EHI is the integration of cape + helicity
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:43 PM
Thank you Royce
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:43 PM
err, cape * helicity?
so you get a balanced index regardless of it being a cape heavy or SRH heavy day
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:44 PM
ah
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:45 PM
any time i see numbers close to 10 i get excited. that's pretty solid. anything higher than 12 is top-end events (edited)
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:47 PM
so there is the risk for a long lived supercell with a transition to wind overnight then, correct?
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:48 PM
that's what NAM/HRRR/HRW are all betting on
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:48 PM
ok
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:49 PM
LCLS's are VERY high in that area. so hail is the main threat. as the LLJ picks up LCLS will lower and there could be a tor risk somewhere in there
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with EHI that high, you could get explosive develpment /w landspouts early as well
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sample sounding infront of the forecast supercell
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:52 PM
the hodograph there is not overly impressive Royce
at least at that point
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:52 PM
0-3 is all that matters to me. chasing here in Nebraska i'm used to upper levels that are basically zero bulk shear in june/july
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:53 PM
and the 0-3 is impressive in that sounding
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:53 PM
now, will the downdraft be crapping into the inflow or the path of the storm thats another story.
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:54 PM
never a dull moment in the world of weather πŸ™‚
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:58 PM
this is why with this sort of storm you always chase tail end charley. inflow should be unimpeded from the SE, downbursts will get pushed forward ahead of the storm. so it will be able to survive on the unstable air to it's south, riding the boundary axis it creates for itself. eventually the cold pool becomes too much and it bows out
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:58 PM
ah
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 04:59 PM
a june setup in April, about 400 miles south of normal
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 04:59 PM
interesting
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 05:08 PM
meso analysis shows CIN dropping below 50 and even 25 across the target areas. 2k cape now as far north as NE NEB
wtf is question mark for current weather mean?
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 06:05 PM
I don’t know. This day seems to be getting weirder and weirder as time goes on tho.
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 06:24 PM
Triple point initiation in NE. Solo boy going near dodge city
Rap shows SCP is up to 7 in SC KS feeding that big boy. And here we go!
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 06:28 PM
Royce, do you think that the cold front might be moving a bit too fast and could undercut the event?
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 06:28 PM
Quick burst of convection on the ks storm. High based. Looks like we could get alot of burst and bust cycles
The front is moving hella slow. Slower than forecast.
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 06:29 PM
Ah, I didn't know that. Thank you. I didn't look that far into it.
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 06:33 PM
Aaron is currently chasing in Kansas today. A supercell has developed near Kinsley, KS. #kswx @AaronHuttinger
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 06:49 PM
This storm down in kansas is tiny at the moment and does seem to be struggling with the cap a little bit (as expected).
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 06:51 PM
Lcl sky high still. Give her time. She's moving pretty fast toward the good stuff.
Dawson county NE storm looking like a hail maker. More trying to fill south
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 06:54 PM
Yeah that storm over the Cozad area definitely looks like just a hailer for now.
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 07:02 PM
That hailer just went warned, as expected. Here we go!
The towering cumulous is starting to fire along the KS/NE border - worth watching as time goes on as the cap is a little bit weaker in this area.
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 07:26 PM
would not be surprised to see a warning or two come soon for the cluster between La Crosse and Garfield
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 07:39 PM
I'd pay close attention to this storm just west of Garfield...
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 08:08 PM
that supercell near Garfield is starting to take shape
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 08:09 PM
The mesos are weak at the low levels. But they got a chance
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Both Nebraska cells have very decent mesos at low levels but velocity is weak
Sandhills is a Christmas tree of mini supers. Elevated. Not enough people out there to care if there's a tornado
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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL) 06-Apr-21 08:19 PM
Evnt 4 miles SE of ASH VALLEY, KS @ 00:08 UTC Rotating Wall Cloud>- Non rotating wall 4 miles SE of ASH VALLEY, KS
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 08:52 PM
Bottom 2 cells both have mesos. Bottom one is close
Vels are still below warning criteria
Mesos are really stretched SW to NE. Elongated. Lack of upper shear means no stretch in the vertical
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Jim Martin (Findlay, Ohio) 06-Apr-21 09:09 PM
seems like the southern most storm near Garfield is getting undercut a bit by the dryline
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 11:24 PM
Hard mode:. The dry line is really just a wind shift and is actually causing better meso rotation
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 06-Apr-21 11:34 PM
Still a good meso on that cell. Gotta be huge hail
New line of storms firing right over omaha. Yay
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 07-Apr-21 12:13 AM
Models handled this very well. Too bad no for reports. Would have been super photogenic
Embedded mesos in the KS squall. Some tor threat overnight
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Stephen M (Wichita, KS) 07-Apr-21 12:42 AM
@Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)
Wasn’t bad for structure
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) 07-Apr-21 09:05 AM
looked like some nice cells down there, LCL's just so high hard to get anything down to the surface
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