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Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)21-Apr-21 10:13 AM
Interesting wording from the Norman AFD this morning.
The ECMWF has been consistently portraying a rather dangerous situation, while the GFS has been less disturbing in its outlook. However, the two seem to be converging more into the ECMWF scenario, so we will need to keep a close eye on Tuesday`s storm potential, as details gradually become clearer
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They (alongside the SPC) have been using very strong wording for so far out from this potential event. They already mention an upgrade to 30% this far out as well. It seems that the SPC is on to something that we might not be right now. Sure, the event looks potentially substantial to us, but they seem to be a bit more confident that it could come to fruition than we are at the current moment. I am interested to see what future discussions on the event hold as the next few days go on.
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Lucas Munzlinger (Dittmer,MO)21-Apr-21 10:21 AM
Oh my
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)21-Apr-21 10:57 AM
Looking at some of the model data, they are depicting (synoptically) a very classic major tornado outbreak in the plains. This setup is actually very reminiscent of 5/24/2011 as I look into the archives. 500mb flow was very similar. Here is the forecasted 18z 500mb flow compared to the same parameter at the same time frame from the 2011 event.
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Now, we are still more than 5 days out from the setup in question, but signals do seem to be getting more concerning by the day.
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)21-Apr-21 11:59 AM
Agree. There’s several days for things to go wrong, but we definitely are getting back into the right pattern, and this day specifically has the current jet pattern needed for severe weather.
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)21-Apr-21 12:28 PM
The most recent GFS run is very obviously trending towards the Euro solution (just as the SPC predicted, I might add), however it sped the system up again and moved it further east.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)21-Apr-21 02:10 PM
in KPH. pretty solid
solid
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60 kts of deep layer shear is a good alarm bell to sound
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)21-Apr-21 03:30 PM
Well no chasing for me Tuesday. Even after work. My Beer nonprofit has a board meeting scheduled.
Forecast discussions definitely seem to be siding more with euro at this time. Which has remained fairly consistent over the last few runs now. Here are today's 12z runs for Euro & GFS valid at 18Z Tuesday. GFS seems to slowly be trending toward it.
Blaine K. (Pocatello, ID)21-Apr-21 04:08 PM
I’m locking in Island Park up there on the northwest contour
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)22-Apr-21 12:18 AM
00z NAM really loading up on the double barrel low
with 2 rounds of rain showers and zero cape over teh warm sector.....is GFS still in winter mode?
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)22-Apr-21 12:34 AM
ill take this member, plz. nice negative tilt on the TP over omaha
Josh Zitko(St Louis, MO)22-Apr-21 10:10 AM
The 15% severe area for Tuesday has been expanded to include most of the length of the dryline where severe thunderstorms appear possible. Expect adjustments to this area in the coming days, including the potential for greater severe probabilities, as additional model guidance comes in.
With mention of adding 15% for Wednesday and Thursday as predictability improves
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Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)22-Apr-21 10:43 AM
Strong cap Monday on GFS, the. Suddenly no cap and area showers. But GFS 06z finally has some cape building
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)22-Apr-21 11:02 AM
last night's euro run brings the risk up to omaha even, cant wait for some thunder
CFS actually has 4/26 as lots of SCP, but totally capped AF
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)22-Apr-21 12:43 PM
I am trying to understand why the GFS is not showing much up my way during this sequence. We have the moisture and wind.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)22-Apr-21 12:44 PM
crapvection. tons of it. GFS has the entire warm sector covered until late. keeping cape low
this plz
and one of these negative tilts
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)22-Apr-21 01:51 PM
There are a couple events that this setup resembles, but the closest one that I keep coming across is 5/24/11. There are so many things that still need to be worked out on it but it is definitely keeping me really intrigued. Euro has been rather consistent on this setup for the most part, but the GFS has been all over the place for it. I can't wait for the CAMs to start coming in already so a lot of this uncertainty gets resolved.
Adam Reagan (Norman, OK)22-Apr-21 01:55 PM
I saw two EF4s on 5/24/11, and both of them were within 10 miles of where I'm living now.
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Don't want a repeat.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)22-Apr-21 02:19 PM
5/24/11 def has a lot of similarities if you look at he pattern, 500 winds. expected cape / shear values on the euro
GFS is the real wildcard here. he's usually wrong. but does he see something the euro doesn't?
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)22-Apr-21 03:06 PM
What if there’s no cap on Tuesday, and the GFS is right about crapvection?
Drew Terril (Yukon, OK)22-Apr-21 03:08 PM
If there's no cap, it ends up like 5/3/18 where too many storms go up for anything to become truly dominant.
Not that 5/3/18 was as synoptically good, but that was the biggest issue that day. El Reno 2013 was another day that could have been far far worse had more than one storm been able to keep clean air.
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Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)22-Apr-21 03:11 PM
Guess we just have to wait for the NAM
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)23-Apr-21 08:15 AM
he does
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)23-Apr-21 08:57 AM
Wrong thread
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)23-Apr-21 09:07 AM
good call i haven't had my coffee yet
Jason Myers (Wichita Falls, TX)23-Apr-21 09:32 AM
The recent ECMWF runs have really backed off the 700mb winds along the dryline. I don’t have any model soundings, but I’m betting the hodos don’t look too great now.
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)23-Apr-21 09:36 AM
Still looks decent.
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Lucas Munzlinger (Dittmer,MO)23-Apr-21 09:41 AM
Is this from the newest run what location to ask?
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)23-Apr-21 09:42 AM
500 still looks good as well
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Western OK, basically I-40 and OK/TX border.
Lucas Munzlinger (Dittmer,MO)23-Apr-21 09:43 AM
Nice!
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)23-Apr-21 09:44 AM
GFS is still garbage though, so... lol
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)23-Apr-21 09:46 AM
Its finally started showing CAPE on its last run. So its "trending" in the right direction
Caitlin Kelly (Huntsville, AL)23-Apr-21 09:46 AM
There are some events I drive 15 hours straight for. This isn’t one of them
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)23-Apr-21 09:48 AM
I need more people to say this, in order for reverse psychology to work.
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Lucas Munzlinger (Dittmer,MO)23-Apr-21 09:49 AM
I'll be in Springfield, MO the night before Tuesday LOL!
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)23-Apr-21 09:50 AM
I will say though, right now, I wouldn’t drive 15 hours. If confidence would increase on the euro, then sure.
Caitlin Kelly (Huntsville, AL)23-Apr-21 09:51 AM
3/13 was an event worth driving for.
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Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)23-Apr-21 11:15 AM
lots of cape.
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)23-Apr-21 11:36 AM
Wrong thread again.
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Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)23-Apr-21 11:50 AM
Considering taking quite a drive for this.. doesn't help having models all over the place though
Josh Zitko(St Louis, MO)23-Apr-21 12:03 PM
Not really that inspired by models at the moment, SPC seems to be though
Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)23-Apr-21 12:18 PM
12z gfs looks quite a bit better for Tuesday
Josh Zitko(St Louis, MO)23-Apr-21 12:21 PM
Haven't had a chance to look, still on the road until tonight
Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)23-Apr-21 12:22 PM
Its a significant step up from the prior gfs runs
2km flow could use a boost but otherwise its definitely on the up
Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)23-Apr-21 12:39 PM
Nice orientation of that dryline
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)23-Apr-21 12:40 PM
Slightly too Far East, but I’ll allow it.
Low level winds also look weak also
But it’s better than what’s it’s looked like.
Josh Zitko(St Louis, MO)23-Apr-21 05:56 PM
Had a chance to look, 12z GFS does look a bit better
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)24-Apr-21 10:44 AM
Euro has slowed this thing down
Jason Myers (Wichita Falls, TX)24-Apr-21 11:10 AM
The 850mb wind field is junk. Going to be way too capped with it being that southwesterly
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Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)24-Apr-21 11:22 AM
Still too many details unclear. Still likely an event, just what kind is the question (edited)
Id like to make the trip considering i have the time and funds for it; but need to see more to commit
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)24-Apr-21 11:41 AM
I am holding out for the next week. Thats when I can start taking time off as needed, up to 2 weeks. (edited)
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)24-Apr-21 11:58 AM
Models down a notch from last few runs. Looking suspect
Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)24-Apr-21 02:26 PM
Euro improved from whatever trash that was yesterday
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)24-Apr-21 02:30 PM
Still not that great though
Western OK
Matthew Harding (Wichita, KS)24-Apr-21 03:06 PM
That wind field looks awful in western Oklahoma. At least from that point sounding.
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)24-Apr-21 03:26 PM
None of them are great
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)24-Apr-21 03:38 PM
wind field went to total garbage for tuesday. sigh
Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)24-Apr-21 05:05 PM
Yeah looking likely that i save the 10 hour drive for the 3rd instead. Now that one looks great. (For now)
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)24-Apr-21 05:13 PM
May 3rd all over again
Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)24-Apr-21 05:16 PM
You hate to say it
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)24-Apr-21 05:36 PM
oh gawd not going to hear the end of that from now till end of chase season.
Mark Drees (Temple, TX)24-Apr-21 05:48 PM
I’d rather Tuesday be trash and not wipe the gulf than to have an outbreak and kill everything for 2 weeks
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 12:20 PM
So
Euro, still shows some potential, not as potent, but still there for Texas Panhandle/Western OK
GFS says it's going be a washout, where flooding is an issue
NAM says I'm gonna CAP everyone out
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)25-Apr-21 01:00 PM
Well, when all else fails, at least the models agree that weather exists
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 01:28 PM
Euro pretty much says, go to Childress and wait
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Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)25-Apr-21 02:14 PM
Yeah Tuesday went back up
I'm back to reconsidering lol
Further west than I had planned. Going to be a hell of a drive but I have a partner going with should this trend continue
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 02:25 PM
Childress.
Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)25-Apr-21 02:37 PM
Damn models did a 180 real quick. So much to like about that sounding
As the older lady (who lived in the house that nearly got hit by the Lockett tornado) said “well, if you come down here, you’re bound to see a tornado at least once a year. We’ve seen about 5 in the last 5 years come near our house”
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 06:19 PM
SW Ok. NAM, similar to the GFS, is fairly farther east than the Euro.
Grant Leighty (Kansas City, MO)25-Apr-21 08:50 PM
Is any one chasing on Tuesday?
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 08:51 PM
I’m planning to, but it will depend on how the models look. Luckily close enough to make a decision the night before. Already have put in at work that I will be out that day.
Grant Leighty (Kansas City, MO)25-Apr-21 08:53 PM
After Vernon, TX I need more tornadoes. LOL. I will probably decide tomorrow after looking at the models.
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 08:56 PM
Lol, got that adrenaline rush still.
My main fear has been RAP and HRRR are hinting at crapvection forming by 18z, so that will wipe the cape away from SW OK.
Grant Leighty (Kansas City, MO)25-Apr-21 09:03 PM
That’s a chase that I will not forget for a long time
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 09:08 PM
I will say, if things continue, there’s likely going to be 3 main targets
Childress/Quanah area will be a primary target for most
Hays KS westward would be target 2
East of Denver would be target 3
4th target could be SW Texas, but wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.
Grant Leighty (Kansas City, MO)25-Apr-21 09:12 PM
I will probably drive back down to Childress again
Although Hays KS is closer
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 09:42 PM
Nothing makes sense up here. We have 3k cape blow over Monday night. No rain. Drops to zero before rebound o. Tuesday but no cap break due to low TD even tho we should hit convective temps
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 09:53 PM
HRRR is very similar to the NAM and GFS, little to no cap, firing by 18z
Jacob Prothro (Central Texas)25-Apr-21 09:54 PM
Maybe I’ll get a local play around Austin
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 09:56 PM
If we get rain overnight we could see 65 TD and 3000 cape Tuesday. Or we could see no rain and 45 td. Great forecasting time.
Jacob Prothro (Central Texas)25-Apr-21 09:56 PM
Well... I mean more Abileneish. Can’t get up to Childress this week but maybe Abilene.
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)25-Apr-21 10:17 PM
My chase partner and I are planning to make our way down to either Wichita or OKC (most likely OKC) tomorrow night to be ready for the next day.
As long as he can get his stuff handled, of course.
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 10:27 PM
So, HRRR shows no cap. NAM continues to show a cap and an EML
SW Ok
Same time, same place with the HRRR
Grant Leighty (Kansas City, MO)25-Apr-21 10:30 PM
Hopefully tomorrow we will have some better models.
I will probably drive to OKC to get ready for Tuesday (edited)
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 10:38 PM
I know this is screwy. Models just not agreeing on some of it?
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 10:44 PM
Honestly, just a difference in cap strength. HRRR says no cap issue and breaks by 18z. NAM says it will be a stronger cap.
I’m starting to get interested in Wednesday though, because all have slowed down the progression of the wave.
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 10:46 PM
just got back in here to look over things.
Tristan White (Hartselle, AL)25-Apr-21 10:50 PM
well this is interesting
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 10:54 PM
i saw that as well. the cold front washes out up on the north side. goes stationary and drifts toward the front range. classic backside front range setup for elevated supers
T-TD gaps will be like 40F. so i doubt you'll get surface convection. but some NUTS space ships might happen
and since it's nebraska, even LCLs at 1500ft can produce landspouts out there
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)25-Apr-21 11:07 PM
So the CAMs also have early convection. Man, Tuesday is going to be a weird day.
Tristan White (Hartselle, AL)25-Apr-21 11:10 PM
Looks like its either gonna be an elevated but beautiful supercell in SW NE or a severe threat but possible Capping inversion in Texas/Oklahoma
ARW has supercells firing by like 3-4 pm. This is valid 5:00 PM Tuesday afternoon.
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)25-Apr-21 11:29 PM
Man I hate that the models disagree so much on this event. I’m trying to figure out a target area and it feels like a circus of revolving target spots.
That's part of the fun of it though. I'd be more apt to get bored if it were too easy.
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:30 PM
lol
Still is.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:32 PM
shhhh. mods aren't sleep. post pilger soundings
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:32 PM
shut up..>!
Royce gone to MA's (edited)
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:32 PM
Glen you remember the old days. back before discord. I went to the old forum recently. Feels so like another lifetime
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:33 PM
oh yes
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:33 PM
i been chasing since before we had smart phones. man. lifetimes ago
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:33 PM
Duda would come on and give us humble pie.
on our forecasts.
Josh Zitko(St Louis, MO)25-Apr-21 11:33 PM
Too bad Shane isn't here, y'all could reminisce about the good old days together
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:34 PM
yeah SA was there.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:34 PM
Duda is 10 times the meteorologist that I am. but i still CRUSHED a ton of mesoscale days in spite of it.
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:35 PM
Duda would just look at failure modes and see them all and say "nope".
Drew Terril (Yukon, OK)25-Apr-21 11:35 PM
I started in 06, and it was probably 2010 or 11 before I consistently had data on a chase. And I never made it out to the plains for a chase till I moved back to Oklahoma in 2013
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:36 PM
i started in 2005. the 2004 season (HALLAM) has basically inspired the entire met ungrad department to chase (and some of the grad teachers)
i didnt join stormtrack until much later once i was out of school, and i didn't make my first forecast until 6/15/2014 (for pilger)
so after a good 15 years of looking at days like tuesday. i channel my inner DUDA. and say. what's the failure modes?
Drew Terril (Yukon, OK)25-Apr-21 11:40 PM
My first several years were basically surface OBS the day of. I didn't forecast for crap. The day I got my first tornado, it was probably a decade later before I knew what the SPC outlook looked like for that day.
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:41 PM
He would just pick apart everything and show us everything wrong with it. When we tried to show him what the models showed he would laugh and tells us how the models are the failure. Something like this. It would just bring down the hype that's for sure.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:41 PM
yup. nothing derails a hype train like a duda failure forecast
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Drew Terril (Yukon, OK)25-Apr-21 11:43 PM
I wasn't on the Stormtrack forum until 2015. It was 2011 before I even actually met anyone in the chaser community
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:44 PM
When Duda chased it was a day to watch for sure. He didn't chase unless it was a for sure, shoot ducks in a barrel kinda day. Other then that, he didn't chase much. Maybe he does now? Or maybe he did a while back before STD days. I dunno? (edited)
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:46 PM
Honestly, as one of the lone Nebraskans. I've only ever met 2 other chasers up here that actually show up on discord. Not a lot of traffic up here. Lots of high risk busts
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:47 PM
Meet a lot in KS.
and some in OK, nobody in TX.
Josh Zitko(St Louis, MO)25-Apr-21 11:47 PM
Ought to have a big ol post covid meetup
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Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:47 PM
OH yeah CO I meet some.
hell yeah
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:48 PM
I have noticed a TON of people refuse to go north of i-70. (roads in N KS are terrible). And Nebraska is amazing to chase in but just too far for many OK/TX chasers
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)25-Apr-21 11:50 PM
I've just never been up there. I do want to go. NE star Party is kewl.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:51 PM
Lincoln is a great food/drink party town. Kearney isn't bad actually. They have an old chicago. Grand Island is redneck ghetto AF.
and for love of god. stay out of North Platte. Just go to Scottsbluff.
sitting along the stationary front in Nebraska. a few peaks of CIN my drop below 25. NEVER underestimate a stationary front with 2-3K of cape sitting nearby
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Drew Terril (Yukon, OK)25-Apr-21 11:59 PM
Ooof that hodo though
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:59 PM
how the hell does that hodo even give hazard tor? HOW?
Drew Terril (Yukon, OK)25-Apr-21 11:59 PM
I got nothing for you there lol
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)25-Apr-21 11:59 PM
oh yeah. EFF shear of like 80 kts
Lots of Nebraska tornadoes are like...SRH? No. CAPE? No. Dewpoint? Nope. EFF SHEAR over 60kts? Tors
I’m headed back to Lincoln now and gonna spend some time forecasting before I leave.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)26-Apr-21 10:17 AM
To McCook, anyone?
Vince Waelti (Rockford, IL)26-Apr-21 10:18 AM
I'm probably going to NE
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)26-Apr-21 10:42 AM
SPC snuck some 2% in there. i usually would say these would be too high based, but that area is well known from dropping tubes even /w a pretty dry surface
Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)26-Apr-21 10:42 AM
I may take the bait and go to Goodland kansas
3cape is pretty impressive
Jeff House (Chattanooga, TN)26-Apr-21 10:56 AM
Given the moisture return issue in Texas, perhaps northwest Kansas is the best option. That area requires less moisture to produce. When in doubt, Kansas.
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)26-Apr-21 11:00 AM
GL my man.
Matt Luttrell (Norman, Oklahoma)26-Apr-21 11:06 AM
Tuesday has the potential to be awesome for someone who works near I44+I40 in OKC. (I either go west or SW after leaving early from work)
But it's not panning out
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)26-Apr-21 11:23 AM
Yeah, right now, I’m likely not going to Childress like originally planned. I likely won’t go out, except to get lightning photos.
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)26-Apr-21 12:05 PM
The model spread is still fairly different, even between the CAMs, but most except the euro have cloud covering the area with the best winds. Unless they’ve all missed and the Euro is right with its 3k CAPE, which at that point it’d be game on. (edited)
Adam Reagan (Norman, OK)26-Apr-21 01:13 PM
I'm 90% leaning towards skipping tomorrow and work a full day.
Jacob Metzger (Fort Worth, TX)26-Apr-21 01:19 PM
I don’t love the look of tomorrow, but I didn’t love the look of Friday until the morning of. I think I’m going to set up somewhere between Childress and Altus and see what happens.
I think there is some potential for atleast a tornado or three. I really didn’t expect Friday to be what it was either. I’m going to see what the 0Z models hold and make my decision from there
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)26-Apr-21 01:26 PM
“Or 3”
Why not 5+ again
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)26-Apr-21 01:30 PM
I am officially chasing this week. Now that things are getting worked out
I am figuring out where I want to target tomorrow, and I am also taking into account a potential chase tomorrow too in my target area for tomorrow.
Jacob Metzger (Fort Worth, TX)26-Apr-21 01:32 PM
Shh. I said “or three” and got six, so...
Palmer (Weld County, CO)26-Apr-21 01:49 PM
It doesn't look nearly as good as Friday, with that cap + a receding dryline its a very different day
Grant Leighty (Kansas City, MO)26-Apr-21 02:04 PM
I think I am setting this one out. I will save my vacation time for later in May. It’s a long drive from KC for a crappy setup.
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)26-Apr-21 02:09 PM
Upstream of the early activity, a corridor of surface heating will likely occur from western TX into far western OK, and surface based storms will likely initiate in vicinity of the eastward-mixing dryline by late afternoon. Effective bulk shear from 45-55 kt will support supercells as the initial storm mode and this activity will pose a risk for large to very large hail. A relatively small window will exist for isolated tornadoes as the low-level jet increases during the early evening and before the boundary layer decouples. Some upscale growth may occur, and activity may continue east through parts of northwest and north central TX into OK during the overnight with a continued threat for large hail and damaging wind.
An upgrade to ENG risk for large hail may be introduced from a portion of western TX into southwest OK on the day 1 updates.
SPC sticking with some heating coming rather than the cloudiness
Paul Andrew (Xenia, OH)26-Apr-21 03:37 PM
Looking like the northern target Nebraska/northern Kansas is the only viable option based on the 18z
Tristan White (Hartselle, AL)26-Apr-21 04:01 PM
Well no chase this time. Probably not worth the 12+ hr drive for this setup. Disappointing.
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)26-Apr-21 04:36 PM
Yeah, not looking like I’ll go out tomorrow, even though it’s like 3 hours away.
Wednesday though...
Might be nice to get blasted by a squall line
John Choquette (Edmond, OK)26-Apr-21 04:49 PM
ill be out there for the news station. expectations have gone done so much than if you asked me on Thursday. hoping we could get in some hail
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)26-Apr-21 05:13 PM
We are headed to Dodge City right now, setting up there tonight so we have both north and south options in play just in case, and gives us a great area for Wednesday as well to center at.
beard (fort worth)26-Apr-21 06:03 PM
That "window" will be about 60-90 minutes then it turns into a line or dies. (edited)
Drew Terril (Yukon, OK)26-Apr-21 06:07 PM
I'll be in CO. It'll be for work, but if I have a chance to pull off on a ramp for a few pics I'll jump on it. Not that I'm going to be able to actually follow anything, but I won't complain if I'm lucky enough to see something, even at a distance
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)26-Apr-21 06:17 PM
That will be something if you do.
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)26-Apr-21 06:20 PM
You just gotta make sure you get the big rig in frame
Glen Heinz (Greenville, SC)26-Apr-21 06:21 PM
Agreed lollipop
Drew Terril (Yukon, OK)26-Apr-21 06:40 PM
Hahaha if I can do so, I will.
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)26-Apr-21 11:34 PM
@Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE) I’m looking at models right now and I really don’t trust the KS NE stuff. What I see is pointing me to the Wichita Falls/Vernon/Altus area. I’ll check again in the morning and look at all of the real-time data too and come to a conclusion.
I just don’t think much is going to come out of that triple point area. Things just aren’t lining up there, and more is lining up for the Texas target.
beard (fort worth)26-Apr-21 11:40 PM
Just waiting for that to be spotted
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)26-Apr-21 11:48 PM
Where is that?
Lee S (Wichita, KS)26-Apr-21 11:53 PM
Looks like NE of Jacksboro, TX.
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 09:07 AM
Looking at the models this morning, we are leaning more to the Target. Looking at the Vernon TX/Altus Oklahoma area as of right now.
Jacob Prothro (Central Texas)27-Apr-21 09:09 AM
Know your Red River crossings
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 09:14 AM
Vernon to Altus is pretty much the only river crossing unless you go to whichita falls or quanah lol
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)27-Apr-21 09:15 AM
I’d prefer the TX/OK target over any other. Still doesn’t look amazing.
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 09:15 AM
Gray sky bust lol I'm only going to find my drone I lost Friday lol
Holly Pajak (London, ON)27-Apr-21 09:18 AM
how large is the area you're searching in?
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 09:19 AM
That's the last GPS location it pinged before falling.
Bad part, it's farm land on one side at least. The other side of the creek I'm not sure.
Holly Pajak (London, ON)27-Apr-21 09:21 AM
I wonder if anyone out that way could use their drone to help you locate yours
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 09:21 AM
I really don't like the triple point for this setup right now. My gut tells me texas but I haven't looked at obs yet
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 09:22 AM
I have a buddy coming out but he can't leave work until noon and may not make it before showers start. So I'm about to leave to go play hide n seek with it.
Holly Pajak (London, ON)27-Apr-21 09:24 AM
good luck!
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 09:27 AM
Better stop doing a sunshine dance.
Start*
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Apr-21 09:29 AM
lol
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 09:31 AM
If you're already in NE I'd play that. The only ones playing the tx/OK crap fest today is locals and people setting up for tomorrow
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 10:02 AM
That’s the biggest reason why we chose Texas, to set up for tomorrow.
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 10:03 AM
Go to the subway in Vernon. Its the meeting spot for chasers on chase days up there.
If i can find the drone before it rains I'll meet y'all there
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)27-Apr-21 10:09 AM
Lol
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 10:11 AM
I might take you up on that. We are already headed south on 283 now.
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John Choquette (Edmond, OK)27-Apr-21 10:27 AM
KOCO sending us to sw oklahoma so fingers crossed lol
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)27-Apr-21 10:29 AM
Not shocking. Are they keeping anyone in the metro in case the recent runs of the HRRR are right (edited)
John Choquette (Edmond, OK)27-Apr-21 10:44 AM
yeah buck is covering okc and chris lee is going to chickasha
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 10:58 AM
I see koco thinks the sun will come out if they have you going down there
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)27-Apr-21 10:59 AM
Ahh, that makes sense. Yeah, SW OK/TX is the best play, although it doesn’t look great (edited)
John Choquette (Edmond, OK)27-Apr-21 11:00 AM
Yeah today is a day where I’m happy we get sent to the best target so if something does happen, we’re there for it and if not ♂️ getting paid either way
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 11:02 AM
Lucky lol fox chasers don't get paid
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)27-Apr-21 11:02 AM
Haha, sounds like a good gig for today. Hopefully they send you back tomorrow when it looks slightly better but still not great.
Lance Maxwell (Moore, OK)27-Apr-21 11:02 AM
Well well well, what do we have here
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Jacob Prothro (Central Texas)27-Apr-21 11:04 AM
Good luck all that are going today.
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Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)27-Apr-21 11:08 AM
Agreed. I’ll only be out for lightning or if something interesting actually forms around OKC.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)27-Apr-21 11:55 AM
My gut still says texas. But mccook magic is real. Could get a couple nice LPs out there near dusk
Plus I always prefer the less chased target. Chaser convergence is a SOB
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 12:02 PM
Yeah, of course. We thought about going to that area, but we were worried about it evolving into an MCS too fast and not having much opportunity overall, and we wanted to be more in position for tomorrow.
My gut says Texas as well. I’m just not sold on the triple point this time around.
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 12:24 PM
So we’ve changed our destination to Childress. Also, the clouds are starting to break up here.
John Choquette (Edmond, OK)27-Apr-21 12:32 PM
good luck everyone chasing today
high risk and possible nice reward
Joey Prom (Lafayette, IN)27-Apr-21 12:34 PM
Wait, its a high risk!!!
Payton (Lawrence, KS)27-Apr-21 12:39 PM
2% tor extended to KC? Don't mind if I do
John Choquette (Edmond, OK)27-Apr-21 12:47 PM
spc update feels very "take all the cams and shotgun everything out"
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)27-Apr-21 01:11 PM
Yeah, honestly, I might venture out to SW OK late after work if the sun keeps breaking through. Not able to make it until after work though.
Visible satellite shows a break in western OK right now.
And 76 degree temperatures there.
Adam Reagan (Norman, OK)27-Apr-21 01:34 PM
I'll keep a watch on things locally, but after Friday's chase I'm not desperate enough to leave work early.
Matt Luttrell (Norman, Oklahoma)27-Apr-21 01:44 PM
I'm officially out for today. Hope this means it will be awesome for those of you who go
Todd Brown (Piedmont, OK)27-Apr-21 02:08 PM
Think I'm gonna get out and head SW today.
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 02:13 PM
I am currently in Childress
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)27-Apr-21 02:14 PM
Binger OK at 6pm
FYI, watch will be issued in the next few hours. MD is out.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)27-Apr-21 02:25 PM
VERY strong moisture flux into the area just E of Lubbock ahead of that first cell
the indexes are being advected in from the SSW. not a great setup for tors but we're still 2-3 hours away from the good action. CAPE is very high just to the SE, near 2500
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 02:27 PM
Just got into Childress. I’m starting to think my gut decision is right. Clearing somewhat fast here.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)27-Apr-21 02:27 PM
MORE targets possible. there is a quasi-stationary wind shift from LBB to CHD to elk city. vort max is along that line
any cell that can ride that wind shift line can tap that vort max and go crazy
Jeff House (Chattanooga, TN)27-Apr-21 02:28 PM
yeah I’d try to get on a cell approaching that and hope for hoses.
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)27-Apr-21 02:28 PM
Yep. It will be interesting if cells can stay discrete around 5pm when the jet starts intensifying.
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 02:28 PM
CHD is Childress area right?
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)27-Apr-21 02:29 PM
OTHER targets. just SW of goodland, KS> strong moisture advection. right under the next vort area. SCP of 6 already. focus between goodland and limon as those early cells drop outflows.
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sorry its CDS
Jeff House (Chattanooga, TN)27-Apr-21 02:29 PM
This set-up is good for at least a hose in the Texas Rolling Plains. If it interacts with the boundary just right, maybe an elephant trunk. It’s not last week, but it’s worth a try.
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)27-Apr-21 02:30 PM
other odd ball targets. NE KS. what? the front has stalled out and is rebounding a bit. hence the risk up to KC.
and im not done yet boys. S WI to SW IA? What? triple point has formed in W IA. and warm front showing some SCP into WI
not tor targets, but this storm is really pumping out a lot of instability all over for such a low-key slight of a day
Matthew Gaylor (OKC, OK)27-Apr-21 02:34 PM
Storm east of Lubbock should have some decent hail in it. Tall storm.
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 02:34 PM
Yeah. Today could make all of the chasers that decided to bite a delicious surprise. Should be a fun day regardless of how minimal the tornado threat is.
Payton (Lawrence, KS)27-Apr-21 02:35 PM
I actually think I might try and get some of that NE KS threat since I should have time later to get out
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)27-Apr-21 02:42 PM
TD is 68 at vernon. the theta-e 340 line is now passing childress from the E/SE. that's usually my magic line for a bigger tor risk. as storms ride downhill into the higher theta-E air expect that cell to really take off. possibly in the next 15-30 mins. appears cyclical right now
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Jacob Prothro (Central Texas)27-Apr-21 02:44 PM
That is not a pretty cell
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)27-Apr-21 02:46 PM
you can see on the ZDR how it keeps downbursting into itself. can't keep the updraft going in an organized way. new cell on the front side is a left bunkers it looks like. keep an eye on it for mergers
good looking inflow on the cell. zero RFD yet. it's all getting crapped into the updraft. hodograph issues?
hodos at frederick out in the warm sector are pretty straight above 3km on the VAD. could be part of the issue
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about to have a cell merger, left turner gonna wrap into it. let's see how it responds
merger happening. new meso forming just west of Spur. looking decent
strong meso W of spur, 2nd meso forming south on the flanking line. about to get spicy
Cody D. (Lincoln, NE - UNL)27-Apr-21 03:28 PM
Headed to Paducah now.
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Just ran into Aaron rigsby.
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 03:35 PM
I'm bored sitting in Quanah. I'm not running after a hail store it can come to me.
Josh Zitko(St Louis, MO)27-Apr-21 03:38 PM
@beard (fort worth) find the drone?
Royce Sheibal (Papillion,NE)27-Apr-21 03:38 PM
cell just gusted out hard. watch for outflows setting off new cells
beard (fort worth)27-Apr-21 03:39 PM
Got with in a few hundred feet but brush it to thick to walk closer. Waiting on my buddy with his 4runner.
That ofb it kicked out has been right on the edge of it for awhile.